Reasons you will hate me

An earlier memory of mine is my Dad defining 'ruling class' to an infant me with reference to Downer himself.

Hmmm, bit of a confict of interest this one be, no?

Wow. The pride you must feel being included in what the once foreign minister called a bunch of elites.

Mr. Downer. FYI, i think these 'bunch of elites' represent more of the view of the 'great mainstream of the Australian people' than a far from 'elite' liberal party.

Pot calling kettle.

Pot calling kettle.

Come in Kettle.

Over.

That's kind of the point, Benj.



Well noted, though.

A "completely political exercise"? What next, accusations of politicians "playing politics"? Cheeses crust on toast, they're fucking politicians, what else are they going to play or exercise over?

Darts?

Point taken about Lexie Downer being a member of the elite but except for your different politics what makes you any different to him Fitz? You are a member of the cultural elite.

Now there's an idea Ross. I'm gonna print out Downer's (was ever a man more appropriately named) photograph and play darts.

As opposed to gathering one's policy ideas from a dummy Institute as the Liberal party does, and dressing it up as "independent research"?

Australia's leading free market think tank.

I would say, according to this photograph, that
Mr. Downer is definately a glass half full type of guy. Either that or he really enjoys the Queen tickling his ear.

One would almost think he didn't get an invite with that attitude. Wanker.

Crinton the difference might just be that Fits doesn't run around moaning about the 'cultural elite' when things don't go her way.

Oh the hypocrisy anon. Is Alexander gilt edged, or has he been framed?

who else is about to explode with excitement at the mere thought of costello's memoirs

bring it on!

Alexander, in the true Tory tradition, is wearing womens knickers, and that Ladies and Gentlemen of the jury explains the stupid grin on his face.

I love it when Downer hijacks the silent majority's voice and speaks for everyone. I didn't realise I was in favour of a monarchy until I read this.

Say what you will about him, he's done a lot for this country, for domestic violence and for curly hair.

Plus, he's dealing with an overwhelming sense of irrelevance. Maybe we should be taking it easy on him.

how does one join the cultural elite? is there an application form? a secret handshake?

pray, how the fuck is fits a member of the cultural elite?

That ain't no truckstop that boy is eatin' at.

Anonymous said...
Crinton the difference might just be that Fits doesn't run around moaning about the 'cultural elite' when things don't go her way.

But Fits spent years moaning about the political elite when things weren't going her way. I'm not saying that I disagreed with a lot of what she said but you can't deny my point.

Anonymous said...
how does one join the cultural elite? is there an application form? a secret handshake?

pray, how the fuck is fits a member of the cultural elite?

She is a published writer, a newspaper columnist and a national radio presenter who makes regular TV appearances where she discusses books. How is she not a member of the cultural elite? I'm not attacking Fitz and I don't like the monarchy either but what makes Fitz less elite than Lexie?

Crinton,...Money, Power, Born into the Adelaide upper class (no convicts don't you know)...etc.

Well, I'm learning a lot today. I guess Downer describing people as 'elites' means that they actually are! And that they think they're better than us!!!!

Having an opinion on a book does not make you a 'cultural elite', Crinton. It just makes you someone who's read a book.

Although, her grandad wrote 'from little things big things grow..." So you may have a minor point.

I'm sure Peter Cundall will be pleased to know he's finally made it.

Fitz was considered prominent enough for her work in Australian media and literary circles to be included in the 1000 delegates to the 2020 summit. If her work is the reason for her notoriety and her selection then you must agree she is a member of the cultural elite. That doesn't mean I accept Downer's negative view of the cultural elite. I can see only total agreement with the crowd will do here.

Vintage Downer.

Nowhere near as good however, as Nelson on ABC Radio Saturday.
When asked what he thought of 2020 so far, he replied that it was "a bit of a schamozzle". Did he have any ideas he wanted to contribute to the summit? "Well I'm hardly going to come here and tell Kevin Rudd".

So not only is his grasp of the English Language comparable with that of my 5 year old niece, he plays just as well with the other kids as she does...

a gardening elite! now we are talking.
How anybody can whinge about elites at a monarchists convention is beyond me too.

It seems to me Fitz could be criticized for being a member of the elite calling the elite elite. I agree Downer is a twit you only have to look at Fitz's contribution to culture to agree she must be a member of its elite. I also think it was disappointing that Larry Emdur didn't make it to 2020 for his cultural contribution.

That last anonymous comment was mine. Sorry.

The report on the monarchists conference was a real snapshot of what this dynamic movement represents today.

Lots of nodding grey hair and walking frames. (If you look closely I think you even can see an elderly lady doing her knitting)

Hey, here's a crazy thought. Maybe there's no such thing as the 'cultural elite'. Maybe it's just a divisive term cooked up in some sinister political laboratory.

Perhaps you shouldn't just accept that 'they' exist based on Downer et al using the term. I'm yet to hear what this group's agenda is - it just seems to be a pejorative which is occasionally tossed over the political fence.

Nice cheap shot about 'total agreement' though.

Just wish the creative arts had a better idea than just more government handouts and taxpayer financial support. There was no mention about the actual quality of art being produced in this country that no-one wants to pay money to see.

Dumb question: what's wrong with elites?

By definition anyone doing anything well is a member of an 'elite', and so... SO?

*an observation*

Here's a crazy thought, Booky. Logically there has to be a cultural elite. Those who contribute to Australia's cultural life as prominently as Fits, who was selected to be part of Australia's top 1000 minds, must be part of a cultural elite. Unlike Downer I'm not saying it's a bad thing. It's just a matter of fact and Fitz does her valid argument for a republic and for Downer to shut his trap by putting herself in the position of someone who is clearly elite in her field calling a member of the political elite elitist.

That was me again.

And I meant to say Fitzundoes her argument.

Booky said...
Hey, here's a crazy thought. Maybe there's no such thing as the 'cultural elite'. Maybe it's just a divisive term cooked up in some sinister political laboratory.

Don't think it's crazy. One nasty aussie trait is a wierd hatred of elites in anything but sport. Tar your opponents with elitism and you capture the same folks who get sucked in by Hanson and shock-jocks. Sad but true I fear.

'the idiot child of the aristocracy...'

This 'cultural elite' stuff is bullshit.
You'd be amazed at how many artists come from working class backgrounds.
Therefore, quite a lot of your supposed 'elite culture' is supplied by the working class. And the working class is hardly 'elite'.
The elite rich just fund (some of) the culture.

With the amount of one eyed posters typing on this blog today I don't think Rudd's bionic eye can be invented fast enough.

Don't think it's crazy. One nasty aussie trait is a wierd hatred of elites in anything but sport. Tar your opponents with elitism and you capture the same folks who get sucked in by Hanson and shock-jocks. Sad but true I fear.

Seems to me Fitz dislikes the political elite (of the right) asmuch as Downer hates the cultural elite. You've just proved my argument.

I don't hate the "elite". I admire anyone who has achieved something in life and Australia wouldn't be the country it is without them. Sublime-ation, my argument that she is part of a cultural elite is a complement not a criticism. If she didn't have such a clever brain she wouldn't have her prominent position in the arts and wouldn't have been part of the summit. But you can't really argue Fitz is a member of the working class. Unquestioning agreement really is compulsory here.

In other news, is this why you want to be Bob Ellis? I think it might be why *I* want to be Bob Ellis, at least for the bits about Howard:

"...it was good, I think. Among other small victories, it's blown away Howardism forever, and swept our tribal mind clean of his dreary aroma. Howard's most singular achievement was to squeeze down -- or dumb down, the neologism is appropriate in this case -- the National Conversation to only one question, really, which is what group will we single out this week, my fellow Australians, to sneer at, villainise, disdain, sideline and persecute? Aborigines? Boat people? Pregnant lesbians? State schoolteachers? ABC broadcasters? Muslim clerics? Andrew Wilkie? Michael Kirby? Leunig?

And Rudd this weekend showed how many conversations there are, and how many questions there are. And to see so many people, so exultantly, so abundantly, so self-confidently, so recklessly, throwing up new ideas like confetti, was to wonder how did this happen? How did Howard's Australia, which was grey, suspicious, reclusive, selfish, mendacious and melancholy, so quickly become this convivial, comradely, jovial, self-mocking and plain-speaking miracle of last weekend?

It's called freedom of speech, I guess.

And it's good to have it back."

- from his column at Unleashed.

sublime-ation said...
This 'cultural elite' stuff is bullshit.
You'd be amazed at how many artists come from working class backgrounds.
Therefore, quite a lot of your supposed 'elite culture' is supplied by the working class. And the working class is hardly 'elite'.
The elite rich just fund (some of) the culture.

So your definition of elite includes class? Specifically not working class?
Working class folks are never elite?

Huh?

*exits humming old john lennon song*

(.)(.) said...
*exits humming old john lennon song*

Please tell me it was "Lucy in the sky with diamonds".

Denny Crane.

Nah - the predictable one - sorry *blushes*

The one withe the lyric - "They hate you if you're clever..."?

Denny Crane.

Feels like an archery competition in here with the amount of long bows that are being drawn.... But wait, as a commentor in this blog, I am in no position to cast aspersions on the opinions of other commentors, as that would invalidate my own criticism in asmuch as it also applies to me. Apologies to all!!

It was a little repetitive at times too. I thought I was seeing everything twice.

Denny Crane.

"...and they despise the fool, till you're so fucking crazy you can't follow their rules"

Alexander is attempting to establish firstly that there are "elites", secondly that the appropriate collective noun is bunch and lastly that such a group is inherently disrespectable.
I think he got it right apart from the collective noun. how about herd?

You mean to tellme that Linsay Fox is one of the cultural elite? Well fuck me sideways.

Isn't the whole point of this entry that "bunch" is not the correct collective noun for multiple elites...?

Perhaps a "condescension of elites"?

Snap!

So your definition of elite includes class?

What am I, a dictionary? Look it up yourself.

I am as elite as the next guy.

You didn't respond to my suggestion Fitz isn't working class, Sublime-ation.

"bunch" is too grapey. I like gaggle as a collective noun.

I fear this debate has degenerated into a schamozzle :S

A bunch of schamozzles if you ask me - not even trying to look respectable

I believe the pejorative collective noun is a cuntworth of elites.

hey waddup workin class muvers. i gots 1 fing to say-The variation between different socio-political definitions makes the term controversial in social usage, and its use in academic discourse as a concept, and as a subject of study itself, is very contentious, especially following the decline of manual labor in postindustrial societies.

the great mainstream of the Australian people don't ussually have much of a view Alex is only the rich cunts on the north shore who get that.

So, in other words nuffin, the rich get richer, the poor get the picture, the bombs will never hit you when you’re down so low. Some got pollution, some revolution, there must be some solution but I just don't know. The bosses want decisions, the workers need ambitions. There won't be no collisions when they move so slow. Nothing ever happens, nothing really matters.

No one ever tells me so what am I to know.

Certainly not as upper class as Downer!

garret when he was relevent.

mmmm! Garret served on a bed of relevance. (i forgive your bad speling nuffin because you're working class)

sublime-ation said...
What am I, a dictionary? Look it up yourself.

Gadzukes! You're right! But me thinks class is referring to classification not class structure of society in the definition - always 'group or class' of...

My objection to 'working class' is akin to it being a 'caste' from which you cannot escape rather than simply an incidental of occupation. Where 'elite' is by your definition (not the dictionary) never from the working class 'caste'.

Perhaps I'm being idiosyncratic... wouldn't be the first time.

sublime-ation , Upper class Downer. I like.

You are hot Ms Fits hotter than Myf

Yeah, we should rename him Valium.

no homer im unemployed

Stumbled across this in my morning lols, Nelson has a slightly different recollection of Fits' awkward moment:

There was more than a similarity and I’ve got to say that whilst I have a high regard for all of those who came to the conference, it seemed not to be fully representative of Australian society. I met the representative of the sex workers, I met the secretary of the Maritime Union of Australia but it was much more difficult to find small businessmen and women and the Australian Medical Association.

I think Nel-Dog's version is funnier because he implies he sought out Elena Jeffrys with the same tenacity with which he did the small businessmen and women.

Elite: A size of type on a typewriter, equal to 12 characters per linear inch.
What the...???

If the representative of the AMA had green that would make them easier to find

That would also make them about as tangible as Old Mother Hubbard :P

Screw you, I'm starting my own elite.

With blackjack, and hookers.

On second thought, screw the elite.

Downer is so a man of the people. He is, he is, he is...

Daddy tell them....

If you elite me can I come too..

Bob Ellis was certainly talking a lot of shit. If new ideas were being thrown up like confetti how come all that came out was the same old tired rantings?
As far as "Freedom of Speech" give me a break, There hasn't been a government over the last 40 years where Australians didn't enjoy Freedom of Speech. What the fuck is it with left wing/right wing knobs and hyperbole?

Bloody right elbarstardo,and don't you worry about that. Which side do you dress on?

Ouch.
http://www.news.com.au/couriermail/story/0,23739,23580010-5003402,00.html

Denny Crane.

Permission to disagree elbastardo? A government-organised gabfest on such a scale is a rare beast indeed. Even the most cynical "it's only a PR exercise" view could concede that it had potential. And "tired old rantings"? Everyone I've ever met had an interest in something - give 'em their head and let 'em run! Dont' cost nothin'....
If, from any observer's P.O.V, an"elite" is a group of which they are not a member then, sure, it was surely a fine collection assembled.

And we can't only judge the event's worth purely by changes in official policy. At least a few of the attendees may have taken something from it....

I dress on the left hand side, as the right side of my bed is close to the wall and thus it is hard to put my slacks (oohhh, so elite!) on there.

does anyone else get the feeling that someone is posting under many, many aliases in this thread?

and all their comments are as boring as batshit ...

perhaps they are cunningly appearing as anonymous......

sorry Anonymous. didn't mean you, of course.

I think its a "snobbery" of elites.
Im starting my own elite, and youse are welcome to apply. But I will probably reject most of you because there's only room for me.
And my chickens.

I've got a chicken! How about it?

Hmmm. Wait a minute. I've had another thought - perhaps 'an elite' is just another term for 'someone else'. More specifically, 'someone else I don't like'. I can't imagine anyone describing themselves as an elite - can you?

And what about if you step back from it all, Crinton - remove the assumption that there IS an elite with an agenda, while retaining the quite sensible thought that people around the world excel in different areas. Where does that leave you?

I think you're suffering a basic confusion between the idea of excellence (someone who is elite in their field) with the dismissive 'cultural elite' who are, apparently, pursuing agendas on both sides of politics.

Incidentally, your grasp of logic stinks.

Kind regards, etc...

maybe there is only one person in this thread and I'm talking to myself. I think I'm having a brain explosion (like barry hall)

Can't believe Baz didn't claim bipolarity and walk free....

Hi Fitz,

I know the pot calling kettle was the point. I'm not quite that retarded.

Rather, I heard that quote the other day, and have been dying to use it.

Perhaps it was a little bit obvious to the cultural elite reading this blog *tongue wedged firmly in cheek*

benj beware jumping out of the frying pan into the fire

Oh lord help us!
A/ Fits is NOT from a working class background (nothing wrong with that)
B/ She is not one of the 1000 keenest minds in the country (no offence intended as I am sure she would say the same)
C/ Kram went. (no offence either but where he fits in as an elite is anyone's guess)

Booky said...
Hmmm. Wait a minute. I've had another thought - perhaps 'an elite' is just another term for 'someone else'. More specifically, 'someone else I don't like'. I can't imagine anyone describing themselves as an elite - can you?

And what about if you step back from it all, Crinton - remove the assumption that there IS an elite with an agenda, while retaining the quite sensible thought that people around the world excel in different areas. Where does that leave you?

I think you're suffering a basic confusion between the idea of excellence (someone who is elite in their field) with the dismissive 'cultural elite' who are, apparently, pursuing agendas on both sides of politics.

Incidentally, your grasp of logic stinks.

Kind regards, etc...

Booky, your lack of decorum and inability to even consider a divergent point of view sucks ass. You seem to think my comments about the cultural elite are motivated by jealousy but as I said earlier, I don't see the term as a perjorative one unlike Downer. You wrongly think I have adopted Downer's criticism. I say you can't deny Fitz is a leading member of an Australian cultural elite. The efforts of you and a few others to defend Fitz from what you all perceive as an attack says alot about the culture of this website.

Sublime-ation, upper class is still upper class whether it's Adelaide old money or the rewards that come from being a part of a family that has been among the cream of the Australian artistic community for decades.

If Kram were only a drummer then his inclusion would be inexcusable. He must have gone as a singer?

Thats right downer.....we are elite scum.... why are we elite? because, we are better than you.... thats right..... can you handle it PUNK can you handle it?

Here, you work every day of your life and try to struggle through uni to get a wiff of a chance to become an academic you fucktard BoBo. Your not even good for BoBo, because there is no Boheme in your Bourgeise.... just disgusting white rich trash for generations and generations..... take a smell from my oilly oilly rag, its the latest trend amongst us elites.

GET FUCKED AND DIE LIKE SOMETHING OUTTA SAW 4 FUCKER

bigup gp

Maybe he was miffed because there wern't any crossxdressers represented at the 2020 sumit!

what about a schamozzle of elites?

I wondered why they didn't put "Kram" in the paper under his real name?

Crinton, you're exhausting. I don't think I'd bother defending Fits from anyone, and I do understand the distinction you are attempting to make.

What I don't understand is why you're trying to make the point that there is such a thing as a 'cultural elite' group, and why it's important if Fits is in it. Who else is in the group? Good cooks? Kindergarten teachers? Brickies? Ita Buttrose?

My point is that any group referred to as 'culturally elite' will be so subjective as to be ridiculous - as it is with Downer's rubbish statements, it's always 'others'. And the only point of constructing such a group is to make generalisations about it - so why bother?

Do you want me to concede that Fits is a recognised writer? Done. Good point. Well made.

I'm part of the chattering classes, and when I grow up I want to be part of the cultural elite.

I think I have to be chardonnay socialist first though.

..and I agree with Booky. 'Cultural elites' don't actually exist. Neither do the 'politically correct' as a defined group of nameable people and someone needs to tell Neil Mitchell this. It makes for a great drinking game. Listen to 3AW, wait for Neil Mitchell to blame something on 'the politically correct' and slam down a shot. The sun's not over the yardarm yet, but gee it's fun. A few lines of coke adds extra dimensions.

Did any of you consider that when he said 'elites' he was referring to typewriting?

I thought not

Jesus Fits, yet again

LOOK AT ME, LOOK AT ME!!!

disguised as a blog post about something otherwise.

Ahhumm, has no-one noticed that Ms Fits is an aristocrat and as much a member of the elite as Alex or anyone else of that ilk? At least Alex does not pretend to be something he is not, even if he did call his daughter Harriet and dresses up in her undies. Wonder how Fits would look in Harriet's undies?

who's Jesus Fits?

(.)(.), from hereon in you will be known as Lake Tittie-KaKa

Lovely. Hilarious.

Thank you ms Fitz for your post. You have captured the ludicrous essence of a plummy toff in tweeds decrying the "elitism" of the forum.

Thanks also Booky and PerseusQ for reminding everyone that "Elites" is just a term of abuse that the previous government used to reassure "Battlers" that "Liberals" love the working class.

Total shite, and Voted Out by "the great mainstream".

Now the old dog's gone
.. and Alex just ain't got it.
Like being abused by a ball of wool, innit!

*Shakes head*

I like the Queen, and I would sleep with her .......again. But my head is not for her to pat .

I don’t see AD as elite in any field

"how does one join the cultural elite? is there an application form? a secret handshake??"

Simply put, they are born into it.

"pray, how the fuck is fits a member of the cultural elite?"

I'm pretty sure someone suppourting the argument that Ms Fit's is in fact an Elitist (which I am not) would claim that she was also born into it.

"You'd be amazed at how many artists come from working class backgrounds.
Therefore, quite a lot of your supposed 'elite culture' is supplied by the working class. And the working class is hardly 'elite."

You're missing the point. The pseudo-marxist theory is simply that the rich get more opportunities or 'life-chances' and are therefore more likely to become successful. Not necessarily that they are the only individuals that can become sucessful.

But keep in mind, once an artist accomplishes what we would call 'success' they are usually absorbed into the social elite and are therefore no longer considered working class.

Money is not the only thing that seperate levels of the hierachy, power and influence are usually just as important.

This is correct and explains how Ms Fits has been able to get where she is today despite minimal education and no life experience to speak of, while people with MA's are cleaning toilets for truck drivers. That, sadly, is life.

no life experience! you're joking? that's just fucking ignorant. and if it applies to anyone, it'd be an MA or PhD

Oh how I wish I was joking Anonymous, but I'm not. Ms Fits is an anthropological curiosity who has rarely, if at all, had to step outside her comfort zone, as any objective analysis of her life and times will show. The acquisition of a higher degree requires a little more effort than Ms Fits has had to expend on her career, although there are plenty of educated fuckwits around, I'll grant you that.

Fuck me, your reverence, but you clearly don't work in a university.

Given that Downer is criticising others on the basis of being "elite", it seems clear that he DOES, in fact, pretend to be something he's not.

Correction. In an earlier post I named Alexander's daughter as Harriet when in fact it is Henrietta, which if anything is even worse. God, just imagine having to go through life as Henrietta Downer!

Getting a degree isn't hard for someone with half a brain. I'm sure Fits has more than half a brain since I'm pretty sure she's managed to survive as a freelance writer all these years without cleaning any toilets (apart from her own). Why submit yourself to the tediousness that is required to obtain a higher education if it is unnecessary for advancement in your chosen field?

This is true, but Ms Fits is something of a one-trick pony, as are all people who do not have to work to develop their talents. Her Age TV writing is a case in point. It is all fluff, word games and smart-assery repeated ad-nauseum. At some point she will have to move beyond that or fade away.

stupid delegates, they have no idea what they want. Really, I mean they must not have been listening.
just like the stupid voters.
ha.

Hey Rev, you are not being funny. Humour is the theme here.

I really know sweet fuck all about Ms Fits (Heard she is someone or other's grand daughter, and writes for the Age which I don't read) but she seems OK to me. At least she doesn't censor negative comments on her blog like some softnuts do.

I'll stop now before I start sounding like a member of the Fits ass licker patrol.

I think you really need an elitist sounding collective noun for elites.

I propose the 2020 summit be referred to as the "cohors milliaria of elites".

Why no, I don't think calling them that makes you sound elitist.

Oh, I'm not having a go at Ms Fits, merely stating the obvious. I'd rather have the place run by the likes of Julian Burnside than the barrow-boy filth that is much of the Labor party. Ms Fits chose a naive and stupid method of attacking Downer, is all. Why not go for him on the grounds that he is a vicious, lying, ass-licking (metaphorically and physically), self-serving, callous prick?

"I'm not having a go at Ms Fits"

Oh, I think you might be. I'm calling your bluff. You are here only to 'have a go'. Which I'm sure is fine, just don't pretend you're not.

I hate everybody equally, Perseus. For me, the glass is always half full.....of urine. You'll have to admit, though, that Ms Fits is one of the more Forrest Gumpish of the current media pack, and as such is going to attract some shit for it. However, I'll be the first to cheer her on when she comes out with the good stuff.

But it's just a quote, and a picture of Lexie.

How you interpret it is up to you.

Ms Fits is indeed a member of the elite... of the ever-shrinking "can spell and punctuate" culturally elite group. Not many of us left.

Punctuation is such a movable feast. What's right, what's wrong?

Rebel without a dikshunairie

Yeah, successful artists automatically become upper class.
That's why I always hang out with, say, Adam Cullen and Ronnie Tjampitjinpa at the Melbourne Club* (although Tracey Moffatt does have a pretty flash pad...).


*do they let women in now?

sublime-ation said...

"You'd be amazed at how many artists come from working class backgrounds."

That's funny

The best thing about the event Lord Downer spoke at was the crowd.
Most of those Liberal voters will have "moved on" by the next general election.
Fishnets has really fallen on hard times. Last year he was defending the enormous fuckup in Iraq, this year he is addressing a crowd that makes a CWA meeting look like a rave party.

To quote PJK "The idiot son of the aristocracy".

Why is that funny Shwa? Elaborate.

I just didn't realise how many fucking stupid people there were in Australia. Thanks Ms Fits for providing a place on the internet where they can congregate and further dumb themselves down.

Well fuck me if there ain't a lot of chips on shoulders here. A few posters try to point out the bleeding obvious in defining cultural elite and what qualifies as membership, only to be howled down by those who feel downtrodden and possess a penchant for put downs. Here's a news flash....Ms Fits is cultural elite on the basis of her media and writing background, following in the footsteps of her grandfather Frank Hardy (although i fear she is nowhere near his class....those that don't know of him should quit considering yourselves left wingers) and the company she keeps.
Further I feel the reverand may have his own popular blog and occassionally come here to see how his student is progressing. Rev, love your work.

....a completely political exercise, excluding the view of the great mainstream of the Australian people, putting together a bunch of elites and trying to make it look respectable.'

Gee sounds like she's describing the 2020 summit!

...
...
...
...

You know that deafening silence you hear after someone says something really stupid?

Clearly, I'm a bit of a latecomer to this date's entry, but I have to say, that was a particularly brilliant link, Ms Fits. Well done!

masturbating is like being apart of the working class', it's nothing to be ashamed of... but it's also nothing to be proud of.

Oh, I don't know about that.