Reasons you will hate me

It's the same cuntish mentality that saw the Aussie flag proudly fly above the bodies of bashed brown people (cause hey, they all look alike, right?) at Cronulla.
It's ignorant of any political understanding, facile and actually embarassing to anyone who thinks that it makes a point of any form.
It should sicken you Fitz and you should send that the Vicroads admin with a complaint – cause there is no way that would be covered by acceptible usage policy.

they may as well have just written:

"lefties and muslims,
sitting in a tree...".

it would have had has much political resonance as that offensive piece of cunty diatribe.

for fuck's.

My bet is that this kind of email started at channel nine, it must be a slow news day.

Why star out the email addresses? If someone's emailing it around, surely they are happy to put their name to it. If they've only forwarded it, and haven't written it, then there's no copyright, is there?

That piece would indicate that illegal immigrants from Iraq, Afghanistan and Pakistan are somehow driving around Australia in In'sh'Allah(TM) cars with some special drivers' licences tearing the place up with free surgery for all.

And here I was thinking illegal immigrants to Australia were locked up in camps in the desert. Or on Nauru (aren't there TWO [2] people there now?).

Oh except British illegal immigrants.

Which is funny because many Australians I know have been booted out of Britain for overstaying their visas, no matter how many "Oh Caaarn Maaate"s they dropped.

What was my point again?

Oh yeah, fucken, *trails off*

I know you are, you said you are, but what am I?

The depressing thing is that I can guarentee that when it gets to him, that e-mail will probably end up being forwarded to me by my ex-army, right-wing racist uncle - the one who makes every family Christmas SO MUCH FUN with his wacky comments and outrageous ideas. *beats head on desk in despair*

I think that was quite a sensible little article. Whoever wrote it makes a good point

For we are run by soft, politically correct politicians, that are too scared to "offend" anyone.

Personally I'd be a little offended having a cruise-missile kill half my family.

Also this guy has J-Ho all wrong. Our PM enthusiastically (read illegally and immorally) invaded a sovereign nation with dubious motives and under false pretences. He is also part of a coalition (of the killing?) that has been responsible for anywhere from 38-42,000 civilian deaths and yet his right-wing buddies like Mr roads.gov.au still call him soft.

Poor J-Ho. He will have to try a little harder in future.

If I wasn't sitting in a public place where my job demands a level of decorum I'd be ranting, raving, and liberally dropping the phrase 'government cunts' about the place.

The letter writer in me demands action! I'd agree with the good Dr Nic and send this straight back to VicRoads admin with a demand for action. I'd do this firstly to see 'justice' done, and secondly because I get quite a bit of joy out of writing scathing complaints letters.

I saw this on Stormfront.org site the other day when I was trolling it.
You should go to that site and check out the forum, it's actually very interesting and a little bit frightening.
Some are crazy racist rednecks, but there are some who are very intelligent and appreciate a good argument.
Erm, a note here though, I don't endorse their views. In fact, as daughter of two migrants I'm one of the "invaders".

meh. it's further weight behind my push for zone one in melbourne to become an autonomous city state.

although i don't know what we'd do with livinia nixon.

I work for the department of health and human services - I saw this email about three weeks ago.

The email we received had been forwarded by a departmental member who's main role is being resonsible for assisting the diversity officer.

I wish I was making the stuff up.

But didn't we already do that here in Australia over the last two hundred years?
oh wait, I forgot 'shoot local inhabitants, rape the women and give them diseases and substances they have no resistance to, ban their language, culture and religion'. It also helps if you can come up with a convenient 'scientific theory' to back this up, something like 'human advancement' or 'but they don't know how to farm, the land is better off in our care' will do...

i'd actually like to know which demographic the writer is thinking of when s/he wrote this shit. because it seems to describe some western types more closely than what i'm guessing is the unnamed yet suggested group of people, ie muslims of iraqi, afghan or pakistani birth.

it's innacurate and wrong on several counts, and therefore suspect.

like you ms fits, it wasn't the content that stunned me, but the domain name of the email address. that is scary.

what did your friend do when s/he got this email? i hope s/he told them that they were being racist and that these types of stereotypes should not be perpetuated.

and to anyone who thinks it's ok to argue that this stuff is alright, use a name will you? can't stand the way anony-rodents like to support shit like this, yet can't put a name, even an alias to their views.

i hope the fucker looses their cushy government job

and to think i used to wonder how little johnny kept on getting voted in..

Does that address come from VicRoads? I seriously want to know where it comes from so I can register my disgust...

So it's crap. Delete it, move on.

"I get quite a bit of joy out of writing scathing complaints letters."

"i [sic] hope the fucker looses [sic] their cushy government job"

I found these sentiments to be just as bad.

that's just fucking outrageous. I would forward this back to someone at vic roads and ask for an explanation, I'm pretty sure it constitutes a breach of e-mail protocol.

Oh Subs, you got it in one - when you go back over it again and read it with the British "occupation" of Australia in mind, it pretty much covers it well.

And I too am afraid that I know all too well who I will inevitably receive this in my inbox from eventually....

Um, I think you all missed the point. That email was merely clever advertising. Read closely and you'll see the email (from VicRoads) says to "apply for a Country Driver's License".

It's the latest trick in the adman's toolkit... The Contromercial.

Allah! And to think, I actually went to the fucking trouble of following the instructions in that email.

My dad forwarded it to me a few weeks ago, prefaced with his own comments that it probably wouldn't surprise me, but that it was worrying. And he ran for the Liberal party, once.

I don't know, it's illegal for employers to discriminate based on race, but not on ideology, apparently.

When I think of the people that write these emails, I'm not sure whether to laugh or cry.

Ditto for the sentiment that this kind of behaviour only happens in Australia because we are run by soft, politically correct politicians. As Susanne pointed out in one of her posts recently, the first thing an Arts student learns is that an argument must be SUPPORTED.

Does this letter make any sense at all?

The writer's position effectively turns on the claim that Iraq (along with a number of other nations) has a superior government/social system to Australia. It is, therefore, him who should be moving to Iraq to prove his point, rather than the doubtful reader. If it weren't for the gross injustice such an emmigration would inflict on the Iraqi nation, I for one would gladly bid him good riddance.

Of course the logicality or lack of here is entirely a side issue. Being an idiot may be merely a sad state of affairs. Being an idiot and a cunt is somewhat less forgiveable.

And why not fire this bloke? Since when has attitude not been a highly significant employment criterion? If writing this kind of smug, poorly conceived and needlessly insensitive rhetoric doesn't constitute a hanging offence then what on earth does?

Now everybody repeat after me:

"I do not accept that there is underlying racism in this country"

Oh for CRYING OUT LOUD!!!

Once AGAIN the frightened, narrow-minded, paranoid pinheads of straaaya show that they are utterly devoid of original thought.

Once AGAIN they take a right-wing AMERICAN form letter and pass it as their own. Clueless wankers. Too lazy to make up their own crap they simply copy the American knuckle-draggers.

These clowns are pathetic.

http://www.renewamerica.us/bb/viewtopic.php?t=2044&start=15&

Wow. A redneck works for the government. What. A. Fucking. Suprise.

Next, you're all going to act stunned when you find out Shane Warne has no notion of fidelity.

SHANE WARNE IS MARRIED??

Anonymous said...

I think that was quite a sensible little article. Whoever wrote it makes a good point...

...for scratching dried shit from inside the bowls of public toilets.

It's not even an original piece of demented racist propaganda.

This disgusting recycled AMERICAN puke has been floating in the internet sewers for over a year.

Trust a govt. employee to show such a lack of creativity.

http://www.townhall.com/blogs/soapbox/SaveTheGuns.com/story/2006/04/10/193198.html

Do a Google search on a few of the email's phrases...

Yeah but hello, there is a decent point to it. I didn't mind when we took in refugees from Iraq who had serious and good reasons not to go back to their country. Heck, would you have wanted to go there when Saddam was da man? This one guy I met, he was a cameraman back in Iraq for the news there and he had gone around secretly filming footage of military places and other things that Iraq didn't want anyone to know about, and then he and his crew were almost caught and they got the heck out of the country. He did not want to be here, he loved his country but he knew he would have been killed if he returned.

The US government basically said to him where would you like to go and handed him a list of countries, and he chose Australia. The US paid for the lot. We allowed him into the country. That's fine. I have no trouble with us helping out people who would be killed if they did return to their country. We treat animals decently, why not human beings?

There's a difference between entering a country legally and asking to stay, and just turning up here and expecting to be allowed to stay without any good reason other than you felt like it. If you did that in any of those countries, you would not expect to be treated decently - these are countries that still stone women and cut off peoples hands. And quite frankly most of us would not even want to visit those countries let alone move in there for good.

The problem is, unless you all want to start moving out into the desert, we have to have some kind of security guard at the door and some kind of dress rules as to who we're going to allow in. It wouldn't matter which government it was - and there's the rub for ya'all, because even if Labor was in, do you think anything would change? If you do, you're very naive, and I suggest watching Yes Minister and seeing the truth - it is not governments but the civil service who run things, and you can vote in whichever nitwit you feel like, they're not going anywhere when the government changes. They have contracts, tenure even!

How do you get rid of them? I have no earthly clue. They're everywhere. They're in every capital city, they're in every regional town, and worst of all, they are us.

It's enough to make anyone just want to curl up in a corner and pretend everything is fine in the world. But it's not, and the truth is, we got enough to do taking care of our own stuff, we can't take care of the rest of the world as well. Can we?

Hey Dickhead,
1. The overwhelming majority of "illegal immigrants" are genuine refugees. And that was the case both before and after Howard started his racist dick swinging cause he needed to look tough.
2. Tenure for public servants has been all but abolished. How about finding something modern to complain about?

There's a difference between entering a country legally and asking to stay, and just turning up here and expecting to be allowed to stay without any good reason other than you felt like it

Right. Because people, like my parents, travel for weeks on boats with very little food and no water to get to a place of sanctuary because they felt like it?
I can just imagine that scence right now...

25 years ago in the little know city of Bac Lieu, Vietnam.

Mookie's Mum- Darling husband, what do you want to do today?
Mookie's Dad- I don't know wifey, shopping? Go for a walk?
MM- Well... the Nguyen's are going to run away from the Commies and enter Australia illegally. Why don't we join them?"
MD- Faboulous idea, I'll get the kids, you get the other rellies.

Anon, you are a cock.

Anonymous:

"...just turning up here and expecting to be allowed to stay without any good reason other than you felt like it."

No good reason? What about:

"...these are countries that still stone women and cut off peoples hands."

That's not a good reason?

"The problem is, unless you all want to start moving out into the desert..."

Oooh, yeah, this enormous continent is so damn crowded, our living conditions are dropping through the floor. We can't afford to share our luck with anyone.

Dave said -

Oooh, yeah, this enormous continent is so damn crowded, our living conditions are dropping through the floor. We can't afford to share our luck with anyone.

Just how many anyones are you talking about? One? One million? Let's say 500,000 - if you do that every year for 10 years, you have just increased the population of this country by five million people, many of whom will have further children when they get here. Where will they want to live? How about we divide them up evenly and add 100,000 people each year to Sydney, Melbourne, Brisbane, Adelaide and Perth.

Imagine the increase in traffic, water use, electricity use, housing, unemployment, and a list of other things I won't even go into now. You want that for Melbourne, where you live, Dave? You want one million refugees turning up to live in VIC over the next ten years, none of whom have an interest in AFL football? In fact they want other sports played, and they're going to demand that you treat them equally. Or do you want it for *other* cities where you don't have to be bothered by it.

We can't even handle the increase in our own population let alone bring in a bunch of people from other places. Adelaide has rolling blackouts during the summer because they don't have enough electricity. Sydney has major traffic problems. Can you name a single one of our cities which has a decent public transport system? Can you name a single one of our cities who would have that situation improved by chucking a few million people into the mix? Or, should we try and sort it out first?

So let's put them in rural towns. When was the last time you went to one? I have friends in rural towns all over Australia, 60 percent of whom have NO local doctor at all. They can't get in to see one. Are these immigrants going to become doctors and then we can farm them out to all the rural towns? Or will they work in IT - as of this moment seek.com.au has 18,352 vacancies for IT. We have a real lack of people in this country who can do that job.

You think it is so easy to bring people in here, just open up the doors and let them in, but you do not truly see the bigger picture. I don't think anyone is looking at it, not todays government, not the opposition, not anyone.

You also choose to miss my point. We can't take care of everyone else. If I had my way, all those people living in countries where they stone people, people living in countries where female circumcision is practiced, people living in warzones, people living anywhere in the world where they are in danger would be allowed in here. I'm as compassionate as any of you. I'm just a realist - we cannot solve all the problems in the world just by shipping people here and allowing them in. If it were that easy!

And I also see that any of us sitting here in our warm homes on our expensive computers could easily have been born in Africa or a multitude of other places where we would never have a warm home or an expensive computer. No wonder they hate us so much. I even hate us.

You think you have the answers, please, go run for prime minister or whatever. I don't have the answers, and I DO NOT SEE one single solitary person in either camp who even looks like they might have them - as far as I see it, they are all there for the free meals and the occasional mention in the newspaper.

In the meantime, I suggest we all do the very best we can in our own backyards to make this world a better place.

Anonymous - The basic facts are that it is not illegal to seek asylum in another country. By nature of their situation refugees can't just sit tight and fill out an immigration form to get an ordinary visa.
Besides, our population is declining and we have a shortage in skilled labour. What is the problem with allowing desperate people the chance to live in peace and contribute to our society?

anon two up but one. there are several research papers saying that this country needs to populate or perish, and immigration is cited as the best and fastest way to do it.

also, the other anonymous, perhaps the same one, who referred to countries who stone women and chop off people's hands. i think that is a fairly exclusive saudi arabian practice you are talking about there, and there aren't a lot of refugees or asylum seekers from the gulf states that i know of. i think some african countries practise sharia law.

this is from a quick google search:

"What are Hadd offences?

Within sharia law, there is a specific set of offences known as the Hadd offences. These are crimes punished by specific penalties, such as stoning, lashes or the severing of a hand. The penalties for Hadd offences are not universally adopted as law in Islamic countries.

Some countries, such as Saudi Arabia, claim to live under pure sharia law and enforce the penalties for Hadd offences. In others, such as Pakistan, the penalties have not been enforced. The majority of Middle Eastern countries, including Jordan, Egypt, Lebanon and Syria, have not adopted Hadd offences as part of their state laws."

read the whole article here:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/theissues/article/0,6512,777972,00.html

i wish people would inform themselves before they make sweeping generalisations which suit their own arguments. try the truth and some balance and some perspective for a change.

If one wants to argue against further mass immigration, starting from the position of "illegals" is ridiculous. Unlike the US, UK and most of western Europe, Australia does not have a large problem with high numbers attempting to enter illegally.

The vast majority of immigration is legal, approximately 140,000 per year. The Howard government has a higher annual intake than any other government in our nations history. This is largely at the behest of big business. The attempts of "illegals" to enter is less than 2,000 per year.

Michael Duffy has explained on many occasions how the Government gets away with appeasing both big business who want big numbers and social conservatives who want small numbers:

1.Give the impression you're tough on a few hundred boat people/advertise it heavily/draw the wrath of progressive commentators.

2. Never, ever reveal that you have an immigration intake 3 times higher than the Keating Government(and encourage right-wing commentators to talk about past Labour immigration policies as "open borders").

3. Talk about the "Australian values" that migrants must adopt(in a real angry voice), but do nothing about it.

It's smoke and mirrors. Labour governments have historically had LESS immigration than Liberal governments. If Labour are elected next time round, you can be guaranteed that immigration will go from 140,000 down to 50,000 within a year(which won't stop the sudden rise again of 'anti-immigration' groups riled up by right-wing commentars complaining about open borders).

Even if all the inmates of detention centres were let free and coast guard interventions of "boat people" stopped altogether.....illegal immigration would make up less than 2% of total immigrants coming in per year.

When this year's census is complete, alot of Howardites will be scratching their heads wondering why Sydney is now minority white. How could that be when the ragheads are all locked up in the desert?

Besides, our population is declining and we have a shortage in skilled labour.

Also, arguing these point are invalid for being pro-immigration.

1.The population is not declining, the birth rate is rising. If all immigration stopped tommorow, the population would stabilise between 19-21 million(continued into the next century).See www.population.org.au for further information.

2. The 'shortage of skilled labour' is a product of the immigration cycle itself. 140,000 come in per year, the need for services/building/trades rises. The GDP rises, big business benefits, but average per capita wealth doesnt rise(the highest per capita wealth was reached in the 1950s, when we were 2nd highest in the world and a largely self-sufficient/socialist leaning/low credit nation......it has been decreasing ever since).

The only valid argument for immigration on a cost/benefit analysis is on humanitarian grounds. And that's how it should be put forward, rather than the paranoid capitalist lines/lies of 'populate or perish'.

Or do you want it for *other* cities where you don't have to be bothered by it.

A problem with migrant settlement(not just in Australia) is that the people who lobby for their entrance don't want them living in their neighbourhood, so they get dumped in low socio-economic areas. They then find themselves competing for scarce resources with the working class of the area(what elitist neo-liberals call 'rednecks' in some cases, 'abos' in others) and inter-ethnic strife always ensues. It happens everywhere, Sydney, Paris, L.A etc.

The answer to this problem is take a deliberate approach of settling refugees/migrants in wealthy/upper middle class areas.

This way the 'rednecks' are happy, the neo-liberals get the diversity they lobby for right in their very street, and new migrants aren't disadvantaged. Anything else, and we're going to keep getting more Cronullas where residents will act out violently against perceived ethnic hostility and 'free' the area themselves. A similar thing(though much worse) is going on right now in Germany, with nationalists driving migrants out of working class areas and declaring whole districts 'liberated zones'.

If local councils act pro-actively, it'll work itself out. It's pretty much a matter of building permits on a local level and 5 year settlement agreements on a federal level(they already do it anyway). Don't like diversity? Don't have it. No ethnic restaurants, no excuse to complain about 'ethnic crime'. Do like diversity? Accept all the responsibilities that come with it and enjoy the food.

shudder, gasp, it doesnt stop,
ugghhh, who is this cockhead?
i feel like slapping someone...

sarahtrotter: Nah, be nice, reasoned debate is fair enough.

Anonymous (up there somewhere replying to me):

"Just how many anyones are you talking about? One? One million? Let's say 500,000..."

I thought I was talking about refugees, those who've paid through the nose or fought through hell to get here only to be refused entry. Refugees/illegals are minimal in Australia. If you've got the nous and persistence and courage to get here on a rickety boat, why not assume it was for a reason? Let's be compassionate, as you say. This is far from 500k a year, though.

But regardless:

"Imagine the increase in traffic, water use, electricity use, housing, unemployment, and a list of other things I won't even go into now. You want that for Melbourne, where you live, Dave?"

It's a separate problem. A well-managed country takes enough in tax to pay for upkeep and expansion of infrastructure. Increasing immigration increases the tax take so can pay for its own infrastructure.

If the government's not taking enough tax to pay for infrastructure then we've got a different problem.

"You want one million refugees turning up to live in VIC over the next ten years, none of whom have an interest in AFL football? In fact they want other sports played, and they're going to demand that you treat them equally."

Oh, hang on, good point, you win! No, that's a silly argument.

Though I think what you're actually saying is that they'll cause the cultural of the country to mutate, which apparently is a bad thing. I disagree.

You mentioned sport; how many of Australia's world-beating World Cup soccer team are first or second generation immigrants? Lots. Is it somehow bad that immigrants brought a strong soccer culture to Australia and their kids ended up in our national team?

"(bad stuff) Can you name a single one of our cities who would have that situation improved by chucking a few million people into the mix? Or, should we try and sort it out first?"

Must we wait until we have the absolute best standard of living in the world before attempting to share it? Why can't we do both at once?

"So let's put them in rural towns. When was the last time you went to one?"

I grew up in one. My parents still live there.

"I have friends in rural towns all over Australia, 60 percent of whom have NO local doctor at all."

My Dad is a rural GP and he can't pay people enough to come and work with him. Not surprising; I wouldn't move back to that shithole. Let's not force anyone to move to rural towns. Again, it's a separate problem.

"You think it is so easy to bring people in here, just open up the doors and let them in, but you do not truly see the bigger picture. I don't think anyone is looking at it, not todays government, not the opposition, not anyone."

The bigger picture is that every country has problems and we have many fewer than most. I don't want my cushy lifestyle eroded either but that's just cause I'm selfish. I'd barely notice trading off some of my many privileges for the sake of some people who've got none, if I was forced to do it.

Sorry about all this crap, fitz.

Remember kiddies, diversity is strength!.

While the email makes a point about the fairness of welfare distribution, it really misses the mark in regards to the real threats to Australia. Asianisation is a real and looming problem for this country, by 2030, 30% of the population will be Asian. While Islam represents a ideological threat (how many laws have been created/altered because of terrorism?), the demographic threat from Asia is a far greater issue. We're not talking about the nice korean couple and their bread shop up the street or the nice chinese guy at work, we're talking about a demographic and the social/cultural decimation of this country. How long before an Asian language become the 2nd offical (or worst, 1st) language of Australia.

Australia is not part of Asia, geograhically,culturally or politically, but in order to please big business, the governments wants an endless supply of cheap labour on hand. This country was built up and made great by white europeans and to date, nobody has given me any valid reason why Australia should not remain a predominatly white european country.

The disposal of the white Australia policy was the worst thing to ever happen to this country and may Al Grassby rot in hell.