Reasons you will hate me

On Lateline last night Tony Jones pointed out Costello's spin that saying they'd "keep interest rates low" really only meant they'd keep interest rates below ten percent. Yep. That's sure the message that came across during the election campaign. The only appropriate swear I can think of:

Cuntscrapes!

i read this mroning that monkeyboy is "refusing to apologise" for the interest rates issue.

i wanna know if he ever apologises for anything.

if he bumped into me inthe street would he say sorry, or only express minor regret for my plight and then move me to homebush?

It's just a matter of time before Howard jumps ship (of course, only after he has a chance to play dictator come the 1st of July), Costello gets the flick because he is a wimp who has no spine and everyone's favorite headkicker, Tony Abbott gets the top job. What a cunt that will be...

I am feeling quite self-righteous really in spite of all those that voted Howard in the last election whilst proclaiming that at least “we’ll always have low interest rates under a Howard government”

WE. FUCKING. TOLD. YOU. THIS. WOULD. HAPPEN!

i tend to feel self-righteous most of the time.

join me in my false sense of superiority, ukelele, its fun here.

maybe when the stupid fucks who vote this show in have been evicted by the banks they can go live in baxter or woomera (you know the holiday camps for those naughty illegal imigrants) serves them right asprational fucks

the really sad part about this is that our self-righteousness will fall on deaf ears since these liberal voting fucktards have the memory of a cornflake -- they all seemed to forget the barrage of LIES those coalition fuckers fed us for years before.

Or there's always the GOLD response of "well of course politicians lie!" as heard after ThatBoatIncident.

Choke on your crippling debt, arseholes. Let *that* remind you on a daily basis.

That said, both major parties claimed they could keep the interest rates down (Labor's "low interest rate guarantee" being the equivalent of Howard's lies and innuendo. That fact that anyone believed either of them is the real pity.

Wow. Imagine your reaction if they had gone up half a percent!

You will have to point me to where it was said that there would be no interest rate rises under this government. I must have missed that. Or maybe I have the memory of a cornflake. Imagine how foolish I feel. I went and voted for them and now my mortgage interest rate has gone up a quarter of a percent. I've been duped!

I can't begin to imagine how foolish you feel, Minty.

I don't suppose many people can.

Ohh Minty, Minty, Minty.

Let us review said election campaign.

Truly, never did the Forces of Darkness actually say that interest rates would never go up.

However, never did they try to dispel the idea that they were saying this.

No, not till after the election did we here the qualifiers like "Oh yes, what we really meant was they would always be higher under Labor", etc., etc.

Truly well chosen weasel words were trotted out for people like yourself to hear and obey.

WAYNE SWAN: We have higher interest rates with lower growth. Now that takes a special brand of complacency and incompetence to deliver that outcome.
genius quote

I think this loss could be good for the labor party. No one is accountable for this except the Federal Coalition. Economy will dip, Howard will quit. Costello will have limited credibility (given economy is shaky and the short-sighted selfish bastards who voted them in now have high interest payments). They will both wreak havoc from July 1, but abbott will rise up and take control. Everyone will hate him (because he's a wanker) and chose labor.
People have short memories about stuff that doesn't affect them, but when they are eating cornflakes so they can pay for their stupid new houses their memory will be bitterly sharp: they will vote labor in.

The question is do they vote for Kim, Kevin or Julia. Led by julia with Rudd as treasurer would be nice. If we can teach her not to speak like an extra in Kath and Kim she'll romp it in.

Self-righteous? ken-oath. 'bout time someone outside of the liberal party got self-righteous!

Oh, its one of those arguments: "We all know what John Howard meant even though he never actually said it". (Nudge nudge).

I never tire of those.

I can, however, certainly agree that anyone who thought that interest rates would never rise under this (or any other) government, and voted accordingly, deserves what they get.

Minty,

I've defended you before as a slightly wrongheaded but harmless idiot, but you continue to disappoint me. Why do you insist on making such provocative and disingenuous remarks?

You behave like a retarded pig; wallowing in your vacuous stupidity with little grunts of pleasure.

It's even more pathetic that you seem to feel some connection with the government. Busily shrieking and trying to catch a glint of reflected glory from their string of cleverly worded half-truths.

At least the government have the courage of their convictions, no matter how wrong they might be. You lamely sitting back and deriving pleasure from their manipulations is one of the sadder things I've seen.

No regards,

BBCC

Book Book,

I feel no connection to this government.

I require no "glint of reflected glory".

I never shriek.

I was merely attempting to point out that the hysterical nature of the responses on this page stood in stark contrast to the statements actually made prior to the election (particularly in the light of the amount of the interest rate rise). I mean, for fuck's sake, if they go up by 5% I could see the point. But 0.25%?

Well, it may yet happen.

Regards

Minty

Hysteria. Strong word.

The reaction is a strong one, simply because this was a major issue of the election campaign.

Lies, obfuscation and a disregard for the rule of law on one hand. An 'hysterical' reaction on the other.

I can see why you focussed on the 'hysteria'.

Disregard for the rule of law?

Those inconvenient international ones. Hardly a surprise you don't know about them.

That's pure sophistry, Minty, and you know it.
Sure, the Libs didn't say that interest rates wouldn't rise. But because of what they did say, Joe Sixpack and Betty Lunchbox believed that their interest rate would remain unchanged: if not forever, than at least for a little longer than six months.
I don't wonder at swinging voters who were scared into voting Liberal feeling ripped off.
And as for us Labor/Greens voters, we know we got ripped off.

Tuppence,

No way man. You didn't get ripped off. You get to say, "I told you so". I have to hide behind sophistry.

Buck,

They have international law now?

Will wonders never cease?

Just what is the relationship between international law and the rule of law?

Dear BBCC,

I heart you so hard right now. That is all.

Jess x

*sips latte*

*watches friend work*

*gazes out book shop window at lovely day*

*chooses to not waste time on a twat*

Minty: (You don't mind if I call you Minty, do you? I called my blog Fucksters, but I still get a little blush at the word 'twat'. Blame it on my youth)
I take no joy in saying 'I told you so', and I'll tell you why:
I told you so... and interest rates are rising.
I told you so... and Australia remains an international disgrace for its inhumane policies on refugee detention.
I told you so... and our unis are being deregulated, affecting not only my education, but also that of generations to come.
I told you so... and private health insurance has just gone up another 8%.
I told you so... and millions of Australians still can't get decent child care.
I told you so... and I still have to deal with John Howard's shit-eating grin on my television every night.
I told you so... and sometimes I'm ashamed to be Australian.

The trouble with interest rate rises is that we ALL have to suffer.

Minty, when we go into recession in a couple of years you and I should have a very long conversation about good economic management.

And Twat, the fact that you treat a 0.25% increase in interest rates with such casualness goes to show just how out of touch with reality you are.

Obviously you lead a lucky life. For the rest of us (you know, the other 95% of the population) it seriously fucking sucks.

0.25% means an extra $50 a month on my mortgage. If it goes up another quarter of a percent in May like it is expected to then that's $100 more a month. And that is seriously putting the squeeze on.

Let's add to this the fact that my private health insurance just went up $10 a month, that I pay GST on almost everything I buy, that we are all in a shitload of debt - I can definitely see how much better off I am under Howard.

Minty:
"Just what is the relationship between international law and the rule of law?"
To have latter obey former.

Kindof straightforward.

Gratuitous trackback:
http://northcoteknob.blogspot.com/2005/03/up-they-go.html

I'm going house hunting at the fire sales, not everyone in Northcote voted Labor, hopefully a few leveraged aspirationals among the other 30odd%. Hopefully a couple live on Rucker's Hill, within stagger of the Wesley Anne.

hannah,

I'm allowed to be out of touch with reality. I'm not a politician. In fact I am happy to be out of touch.

In any case it's not really relevant how casually I view the increase. The fact is that rates go up and down. Always have. Always will. I merely pointed out that the view that this government stated that there would be no such rise is false. No matter what sort of inside information tuppence thinks she has on the workings of the minds of "Joe Sixpack and Betty Lunchbox" I can only deal with the facts.

I don't want you to suffer as a resulkt of a rise. That does not make me happy.

I only say that if you think a different government would have prevented such a rise happening then you are mistaken.

Minty Twat - Blog Comment Methodology

1) Post comment supporting Libs policy/ relishing leftist anguish/ lame flirt with Fits

2) Attempt to argue with head lodged firmly between ass cheeks

3) Bask in passing attention/ anger of left-wing bloggers. Rub hands with glee.

4) Claim a lack of interest/ uninformed status. Retreat into lawyer mode and claim to deal with 'facts'.

5) Approach Fits again for another drooling flirt.

6) Repeat step one.

This is all very exciting.

Particularly the bit about ass cheeks.

Minty Twat,

1. You say it is not relevant how casually you view the increase. If that is the case, it isn't relevant how passionately we view the increase; you brought up our "hysterical reactions".

2. It is a fact (the only things you now deal in) that when the government said interest rates would be higher under Labour, they were arguing the unproveable. They were also deliberately misleading the electorate.

3. Why did you vote for a government you feel "no connection" with?

What's wrong with lame attempts to flirt with Ms Fits? Bookie you're impeaching 60% of commentary here.

And I'm with Ukelele, expand on the arse cheeks thing, it has thread extending potential.

Andrew'

1. Not quite. As I said before, I was contrasting the reaction on this page with what was said by the government and the extent of the rise. I said that my casualness is not relevant to those matters. I am willing to discuss it if you like.

2. I agree that the government said that interest rates would be lower under it than under Labour. I agree that such an assertion is unprovable. I do not know if there was an intention to mislead. I suspect that they believed it.

3. I voted for them because I thought they would do a better job than Labour. When I referred to "no connection" I was only saying that I have no special connection with or attachment to this government. I am happy to agree that they get it wrong sometimes.

Book Book,

You wound me.

I am only looking for some interesting discussion. I do not want to anger anyone. I will admit that I might attempt to mildly tease on some occasions but I cannot find it in my heart to be sorry about that.

Regards

Minty

Minty, i gotta say that i totally hear you man. Lets hear it again... "I only say that if you think a different government would have prevented such a rise happening then you are mistaken."

If you have a mortage and never budgeted for an increase of at least 1% over 5 years then thats simply foolish. An interest rate increase was inevietable - they have been so low for so long. Accept it people and accept that it will happen again before the end of the year.

Yes, the governement lied again. However, can we honestly say on the topic of INTEREST RATES we would be any better off under Latham or Beazely?

I say NO.

I don't think anyone has stated here that they thought for a second that they would be lower under Latham or Beazely.

I don't think anyone has said they even disagree with the interest rate rise, per se (though many may, it hasn't been said).

I don't think anyone here voted on interest rates.

But thanks for repeating the statement. Oh, and cheers on the tip re. rate rise next time, appreciated. Is that a fact?

I've been sweating on this for years now. It needs another rise to really cause some forced property sales- I've been sitting on cash management accounts getting piss-poor returns so I've got the readies handy, and now's the time to cash in on dickheads who've paid too much for property. Mercanary? Sure. Profitable, you bet. But isn't that what we RWDBs are all about? Most of us conservatives don't give a fuck about rate rises, it often means we can get better returns. It's only a problem if you owe money, not if you own it.

.."I don't think anyone has stated here that they thought for a second that they would be lower under Latham or Beazely."

* We don't like that the rat got back in by convincing the Australian public he'd keep rates down. We don't like the unflinching dishonesty.

.."I don't think anyone has said they even disagree with the interest rate rise"

See *. The rates should have gone up long ago, not the issue at all.

Dear brilliantly selfish conservative,
Congratulations on both the patronising explanation of the inter-relationship between "debt" and "interest" to us silly lefties and an explanation of your cunning investment strategy (buying a house with cash!)

If you are so keen on high interest rates (giving you higher returns), you should have listened to our slimy misleading bastard of a treasurer and voted labor in! They would have been even higher according to him.

I don't think anyone with a firing neuron would argue that interest rates don't fluctuate under normal conditions. and of course they would rise under _any_ government! That's the way the system works when international trends really dictate local growth and the need to modify rates.

But I reserve the right to take any opportunity to vent at all the liberal voting tards who don't have said pulsating neuron and swallowed the implications that they would be spared a rise under Howard et al.

I'll take any opportunity I can get to make these docile/selfish fuckers eat their own shit.

Bitter? Fuck yeah!

What shits me (apart from the fact that we ALL get the government those Liberal-voting fuckers deserve) is the disingenuousness of the pre-election Liberal Party line "interest rates will always be lower under us than under Labor", and the stupidity of the swinging voters for buying it and voting accordingly.

Why did the swinging voters think that line meant anything? How could it ever be tested? Does the Liberal Party have a functional parallel-universe transportation device enabling them to compare what would happen in 2005 under the ALP with what would happen in 2005 under the Coalition?

It was deliberately misleading dishonesty, designed to catch idiot swinging voters who were more paranoid about their mortgage going up than anything else. And now, as I said, we all get to enjoy the government they deserve.

Minty: Just for the record, why exactly DID you vote for the cunts? Economic management? Well, what a fine job they're doing (*cough* $2.9 billion current account deficit *cough*). Was it for saving us from terrorists? Do you seriously think you're safe because Johnny keeps sending troops to Iraq?

Why? Why?

ps I'm sorry, I shouldn't use the c word to describe the Liberal Party.

Fucktards. That's what I meant.

Congratulations, fans of Fits. There are now more comments here than on the tit-post. I think this shows where your minds truly lie. You are more interested in Minty-Twat-bashing than upskirt-twat-looking.


Honestly, people - we'll never see it if you keep this up.

Clever Ms Fits. I do miss Latham. He was a clever bugger and he had a solid heart.

I do wonder how high the rates will rise?

All you bleating bolshies seem to conveniently forget the world's greatest treasurer managed to give us credit-card level mortgage rates (19% plus) for a period of two years. Bloody near bankrupted me, and I was daft enough to be a lefty then as well. You were probably all to busy using the last opportunity to get a free and utterly useless humanities degree to notice. Welcome to the world of pain- we don't even have the senate cotrolled yet- I await the poroxyms of impotent, apopletic rage with barely concealed mirth.

I agree with Minty. This takes grasping at straws to whole new levels.

I want Howard gone as much if not more than any of you... but the fact that we would find cause to celebrate in so insipid a victory shows just how bad things have really gotten. And Minty is in no way deserving of what's being dished out for pointing that out. We're starting to sound like the politicians themselves... nothing of value to say... just empty point scoring.

and of course after the liberals royally fuck it all up and labour get back in everything will remain fucked for a while as they (again) spend time (re-)building up an infrastructure that will last. of course the cornflake brains will think they are taking too long as all the residue from the moron liberals takes longer than a few months to fix. they then vote the liberals back in at in time for them to take the credit for labours work, they then proceed to fuck everything up and the cycle begins again.

"I await the poroxyms of impotent, apopletic rage with barely concealed mirth."Me, I just sigh quietly and await the arrival of spelling and logic from people like paul.

With love,

some people who were too young to get any goddam degree for free, yet still manage to write intelligibly.

Would you look at that. 30 something posts for pictures of your boobs, 45 for political comment... that has to hurt.

The difference is really that Minty Twat has hung around on this thread provoking comments but on the Tittie Post he just dropped by briefly then became too involved in his "hobby" to bother us for nearly a week.

Of the MT-free comment threads I think the tittie post still wins hands on - down! sorry...

Paul, you do remember that the "free market" conservatives gave us a global recession in the late eighties, which is what pushed those interest rates up. Don't you?

Minty and any other liberal voters reading, one small point, it was cosstello who made the reserve bank independant a desicion that labour could and may well have reversed allowing them to control intrest rates.
we now have a situation where the interest rates are controled by a body answerable to no one.
brilliant!!
and .25% is enough to start a slide in property prices which will push some people into negative equity and then the banks will move in on them and the whole house of cards will start to crummble. bring it on! to the baricades!!

Interest. Rates. If I wanted to whinge about my fucking mortgage I'd visit Cap'n Haddock.

Make with the boobies already.

Paul,

I guess you don't remember the interest rates under The World's Worst Treasurer, back in 1982? That incompetent fuckwit lost the following election...over economic mismanagement. Plus ca change.

Yes it was His Royal Highness.

And if I recall correctly, mortgage rates would have been higher than the Keating era except that they were CAPPED at 10% or so.

Convenient for the little weasel.

Damien had a great foresight on this issue on a response in my blog before the election about those who were going to vote for Howard:

You and your kind are a pox on this nation. Your selfishness is only exceeded by your short sighted expediency.

Your willingness to exchange the country's integrity for 40 pieces of silver will finally be your own undoing, but not before you have dragged us all down into the stinking morass of banal evil you intend to make our collective home.

Despite claims to the contrary by Labor, we will “negotiate with terrorists” and give you the ransom you demand. In doing so we recognise that any attack on you would likely lead to several more years with your leader, and fellow psychopath, John Howard, and as moral agents we cannot condemn this country and the rest of the world to that level of collateral damage.

Nature abhors a vacuum as we abhor you - the living embodiment of a moral vacuum. It would be in both our interests if you were to simply fax us your highest offer from the PM and a PO box where we can send the hush money. The soiled feeling we get dealing with you must be similar to that you get from having to deal with “elites” and their alien notions of truth, compassion, empathy and “society.”

And you smell.

Minty
You're the only sensible person in these comments (OK Ben & Rob, you're not so bad).

I have to say I've always found it very disturbing that the intense hatred for GWB & JWH that so many you souls have causes logic to go out the window. That's why I respect the views from Ben, Rob & Minty because even though Ben & Rob say they don't like Howard, they at least don't seem to have let their dislike blind them to the facts.

cb

Now let's get some facts straight...

A mortgage lesson..

Under Paul Keating's highest interest rate of 17% people were paying 5.5% of the average weekly wage on the interest on their mortgage (not including the principal payments just interest).

Under Peter Costello's current interest rate people are paying 8.5% of the average weekly wage on the interest on their mortgage (again not including the principal payments just interest).

As far as Liberals claim that rates are always higher under Labor....The Whitlam Government averaged mortgage rates of 8.5% The Fraser Government 10.5% and The Hawke and Keating Governments combined averaged
12%. I don't know what the current one averages though it is most likely
lower than these (in theory, though as pointed out above clearly not in real payments!).

In 1982 treasurer John Howard had 90 day cash rates of 21.4% and if it wasn't for the 13% mortgage rate cap they would
have been 23% (good work Johnny!).

During the election my friend Scott who is in the international financial markets in London and a former Howard voter (once a dick I know) told me that Australia's housing prices are 30% over valued in regards to what they are really worth. So that means that everyone who brought their
house in the last three years paid at least 30% or greater than they should have. Now if you take 30% off the average house price and even work it out at a higher (scary Labor style rate) of say
8% in the current market and your saving yourself 100's of thousands of dollars on both house price and interest payments.

Now apart from Paul Keating floating the Aus dollar and deregulating the financial markets, paying off Howard's treasury blunders, providing bulk billing, pension benefits and 9% superannuation contributions from our bosses. If his economic trends were continued after 1996 housing prices would have only increased by about 4% annually. Productivity would still be around 3% and Australia would still still in top position out of the
22 OECD countries and not 16th where we now reside. This would translate to the current average wage being $22,000 a year higher than it is now.

Our Foreign debt under Keating in 1996 was $193 billion it now sits at $422 billion. The current account deficit sits at 7.1% (the highest on record since Menzies!) remember when Keating said in 1986 that Australia was in danger of becoming a Banana Republic if the account maintained
levels over 6% well we are there now baby!

Also why was Costello or Howard never rewarded by Euromoney as finance minister of the year?....I wonder.

Isn't it grand what you learn when you think a little and are not a Liberal voting fucking twat.